ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by Paul » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:24 am

Speaking about heat sinks,
Does that heatsink on the 7805 look a little weird?
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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by PokeMon » Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:20 pm

Yes it's quite unusual in this shape. :mrgreen:

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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by MaFli » Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:35 pm

1024MAK wrote:
Wed May 31, 2017 11:43 pm
Ooh, an offer of more hardware goodness. I need a partner for this... :D

So, yes, I would be very interested ;)

Mark
Oooh... That one looks beaten up. Is it still working though? And a weird heatsink indeed. Guess it won't hurt. Mine is running quite warm.
Just checked the PCB manufacturer and if I order 5 or more boards, the PCB costs around 9,60 euro. Toughest part is finding the 2114 RAM chips. I still have a few of these left.

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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by RWAP » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:18 pm

1024MAK wrote:
Wed May 31, 2017 11:43 pm
Ooh, an offer of more hardware goodness. I need a partner for this...IMG_4648.JPG :D

So, yes, I would be very interested ;)

Mark
Your W buttons are upside down! They should be pushed up through the bottom of the case I believe :D

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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by Fwapp » Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:37 pm

Awesome work - and looks pretty good! :D

Hope these pics help:
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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by MaFli » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:09 pm

Fwapp wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 2:37 pm
Awesome work - and looks pretty good! :D
Hope these pics help:
Thanks for that!
I think I may have found a similar rivet here:
http://www.essentracomponents.com/en-gb ... ter=5.8-mm
Requested a free sample, so let's see!

I do sell replacements for the ZX80 case rivets which may well be the same size...

But a free sample is even better :)

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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by nollkolltroll » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:31 pm

A very nice expansion, extra credits for time-appropriate chips!
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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by MaFli » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:15 pm

nollkolltroll wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:31 pm
A very nice expansion, extra credits for time-appropriate chips!
Thanks! Actually got my original version today! And I am still surprised about the markings on the chips. Each 1K of RAM consists of 2 of these chips. One for the high nibble, the other for the low nibble. But why is one half done with an 2114LC and the other with a 2114LC-1. The -1 version has a 300ns access time, whereas the unmarked is 450ns. Same was done in the original ZX80.
The only thing I can think of, is because of dataline D6' that is used in the NOP code generation during video display and has to be fast enough. That's probably also the reason why it is the only dataline with an additional pull-up resistor to speed it up a bit more. The slower device is less critical and was probably cheaper. Please correct me if I'm wrong :-)

Time to test it and give it a nice bath of RetrObright..

Anyway, here are some side by side photos.
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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by MaFli » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:19 pm

And I just noticed the RS logo on the 74LS138. Weird :shock: Never knew RS Components had their own 'brand' of logic devices. And no date code either. Fascinating...

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Re: ZX80 RAM PACK DIY clone

Post by 1024MAK » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:00 pm

MaFli wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:19 pm
And I just noticed the RS logo on the 74LS138. Weird :shock: Never knew RS Components had their own 'brand' of logic devices. And no date code either. Fascinating...
At one time RS branded their "RS" logo on all manor of electronic parts and equipment. I've got various chips and other parts with the RS branding.

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