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It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:53 am
by AN7805
Hi at all,

I ask to the ZX81 user is never happens for distraction, to insert the power jack, on the ear or the mic connector.
And sadly power up. On ear and mic connector is any type of DC block protection?

Thanks,

Matteo

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:00 am
by XavSnap
Yes, surely the worst design mistake from Sinclair on the Zx81... (Spectrum?) !
Use same socket with ear/mic, and the 9v power supply…
:oops:

I've been wrong many times before.

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:24 am
by AN7805
Thanks Xavsnap.

And this have damage your ZX81?
You have immidiately power off the brick?

Thanks.

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:31 am
by XavSnap
I had to unplug it… no pictures !
No, the mistake seem to be … safe for the ULA ship.
C10 & C12 can isolate the ULA, but in the french display mod, the transistor TR3 can be toasted by the 9v voltage on the Mic socket.
MicMic_socket.JPG

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:35 am
by AN7805
You have shot the ULA and the Z80?

Sorry again.

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:50 am
by XavSnap
No, the jack return to the right place…
And the computer start properly.

But, in the real world, the Mic and the Ear jack was connect at any time, and the power socket was the only one to be feed !

No, the main problem is to invert the power supply polarity… it's a component firework… RAM, ULA, the regulator…
:evil:

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:54 am
by AN7805
Thanks so much Xavier.

Yes if you have reverse polarity is a tragedy :x

Thanks,

Matteo

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 7:36 pm
by 1024MAK
Inserting the 9V DC power plug into either the Ear or Mic sockets does no harm to the ZX81. The ULA is the other side of DC blocking capacitors, so is unaffected.

Looking at the schematic for the French version, I can’t see how transistor TR3 would be damaged.

Mark

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:11 pm
by XavSnap
At a second look, the R31 resistor isn't shunted.
It's safe on the Mic socket too on the french board.

Re: It's never happens? (Hardware distraction)

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:26 am
by AN7805
XavSnap wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:11 pm At a second look, the R31 resistor isn't shunted.
It's safe on the Mic socket too on the french board.
Xav a another info,
the Belgian ZX81 are the same for the French market?

Thanks,

Matteo